Kalliel (kalliel) wrote in toxicum,

Birds is what you are. Absolutely birds.

kalliel: I read a little further on the Wiki page. I like the bit about the birds. I think we should incorporate flight/flying as an extended metaphor in Tox.

And there should definitely be an emphasis on birds (though they aren't allowed to, you know, carry messages...) It can be like, caged birds with clipped wings (the Separation) vs. free birds and unbound flight.

sledmoose: Hmm... I see. The birds were very important... yeah.

Also, should we have gods/ higher beings in Toxicum? Like Ukko, or something similar.

kalliel: Ithink that they should exist for those who believe in them, and that they should not for those who don't.

Like, those who believe see their work in many things, and believe that they do have a tangible effect on the world, and that they are, for all intents and purposes, very real and very alive.

So when we write from those characters' perspectives, yes, they do exist and manifest themselves in various things. But they should not be 'real' when we're writing from a non-theistic characters' POV.

Kinda like in our world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kullervo I also like Kullervo. I've decided to name the town that Matthew originally comes from Kullervo. And they can have a history that somewhat resembles this Kullervo's myth. (And the myth has, in turn, shaped the ideals of the people.)

sledmoose: Yeah, like our world! That's what I meant. Only to some characters will there be gods, etc.

I like the idea of Kullervo! And I looked in my mythology book, and it has more on Finnish myth.

Something that might be helpful:
"The Finns understood that even inanimate objects to have a type of life. There were the spirits of the house and yard, the threshing shed, and of the cowshed. As long as these spirits were treated with adequate reverence and not "killed", they would watch over the activities of the people that lived and worked in these buildings. Hence, when Finns drew water from a well they would pour a little back in deference to the spirit of the well."
Maybe that last bit could be added as a superstition. Like, you know how you're not supposed to walk under a ladder because it's bad luck? You probably don't believe it, but you avoid it anyway, and you don't know where the idea came from. People could be doing this type of thing (with the well, etc.) because it's similar.


This is actually Irish/Celtic, but also about birds! When you go to the website, they have stuff from all over the world. I went to the Irish/ Celtic section, and went to animal symbolism.

Birds are usually used to represent prophetic knowledge, (Davidson, 91) bloodshed, and skill. In an omen, birds can be either the message or the messenger. For example, Morrígan came in the shape of a bird to warn the Brown Bull (Kinsella, 98). The interpretation of their calls and movements can lead to knowledge of future events. Birds, especially ravens and crows, usually presage bloodshed and battle, when they are associated with it, sticking with the theme of prophesy. Deirdre's dream of three birds drawing blood foreshadowed death and Lleu Llaw Gyffes was shedding rotting flesh and maggots while in the form of an eagle. The Irish war goddesses were said to call the ravens down to battle fields to feast on the flesh of the slain (Davidson, 98). Even normal, modern crows and ravens descend to feed on corpses along the road.

Birds can also be used to demonstrate a warrior's prowess by their method of capture. Lleu Llaw Gyffes was so skilled he could hit birds with a stone without killing them outright (Ford, 101). Cúchulainn demonstrated even more prowess capturing birds skillfully, but his son, Connla was still more skilled. He could not only stun them with a stone, but also with only his voice (Kinsella, 39, 91).
Tags: birds, extended metaphor, kullervo, mythos, religion
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